I don't know how to begin as there is a lot going in my mind right now. Recently there had been a tragedy in our family. Youngest of my maternal uncle passed away.
He wasn't that old and left us all shocked and heart broken.
We cremated him with proper rituals and wet eyes. After the cremation there is a Hindu ritual of collecting phool (bones) and ashes.
The day after we all went there to complete the ritual where I encountered a strange thing.
The priest searched in the ashes took a piece of bone which was located near my uncle’s heart and “there it is AATMARAM” he said.
Clueless for a moment I looked at it. It was a piece of bone looked more like a vertebra. Being from a science background I knew it is not a vertebra. Then what is it?
As I was about to ask what is aatmaram, the priest started explaining. “Not every deceased person has aatmaram after being cremated. This represents that Tirath Ji (my maternal uncle) is a pure soul.” This increased my curiosity so I put all my focus on aatmaram. It looked like a person sitting crossed legs with his hands and fingers in dhyan mudra (position of meditation). I was speechless. It was like a new dimension of knowledge just opened in front of my sight.
Still a little sceptical I searched the internet later that night to find many post not only by the Indian origin but also from the foreign researchers. One of which took my attention. It stated “The Aatmaram is a piece of bone which is a part of the ribcage closest to the heart. It is here, that the soul resides. Although, the soul is said to be in the entire body but it is said that this is the centre point. If found intact, it looks like a person in a yogic sitting position with crossed legs and hands & fingers in a mudra. This aatmaram is supposed to signify the greatness and the purity of the person.”
Exactly! What I encountered during the day.
We may be living in the 21st century with all the researches and amazing new technologies and countries competing to reach mars etc. But we still do not have answers to many questions which god created. We do not study aatmaram in anatomy books. I asked a friend of mine who is a doctor and is into research related to bio mechanics. When I spoke to him it doesn't took me long to conclude that science doesn't even have a logical answer to it.
Sometimes we don’t need today’s logic to get correct answers.
-- Ankit Malhotra.
True.
ReplyDeleteEven when i heard the same as my grand father got atmaram in his asthiya and priest says the same line than i researched and amazed about this fact.
My Father got "Atmaram" in his Asthiya
ReplyDeleteMy father got the same in yogik form
ReplyDeleteThank you for the detailed Info, I being the science student doesn't aware of this fact recently two colleagues speaking about it and I was stunned to know this fact.
ReplyDeleteFor the knowledge of you all...atmaram is the axis bone of spinal chord...this is known as C2 vertibra..the second after Atlas C1 ....this is the most important bone as the skull..which houses the brain tests on this bone and due to C1 and C2 the head can move smoothly..our ancient wisdom was so well developed that it was beyond understanding of common people...this knowledge was written in code words and looked like rituals which people followed and reaped benefits directly.....Now a days the pandits who are not having proper knowledge misguide innocent people ....like they misrepresent atmaram as the bone of rib cage....our ancient scripts like garud puran ..Vedas...Upanishads...gita..are all pure science in coded form....just read them and try to correlate with science..you will uncode and evolve as a noble soul....
ReplyDeleteI am totally agree with you Praveen Kapoor. As I have witnessed same aatma ram bone in my grandfather's phool (ashes). I find your fact is more relevant and true. Thanks for clearing my mind.
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ReplyDeleteFor the knowledge of you all...atmaram is the axis bone of spinal chord...this is known as C2 vertibra..the second after Atlas C1 ....this is the most important bone as the skull..which houses the brain rests on this bone and due to C1 and C2 the head can move smoothly..our ancient wisdom was so well developed that it was beyond understanding of common people...this knowledge was written in code words and looked like rituals which people followed and reaped benefits directly.....Now a days the pandits who are not having proper knowledge misguide innocent people ....like they misrepresent atmaram as the bone of rib cage....our ancient scripts like garud puran ..Vedas...Upanishads...gita..are all pure science in coded form....just read them and try to correlate with science..you will uncode and evolve as a noble soul....
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting that you are updated about our vertebra.
DeleteThere is a difference between 'believing in something and yet being realistic' and 'being overconfident on being realistic and not believing'. (If you could decode what I just wrote.)
I am pretty sure you must have decoded a lot from our Vedas, Puran, Upanishads etc. Do enlighten us whenever you have time on what you have decoded on being a noble soul because most of us are still evolving as a better human being first.
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DeletePraveen Kapoor is right. We should first learn to accept the truth without linking it with any emotions.
ReplyDeleteSo you wanna play education?
DeleteTell me because our vertebra is channel of cancellous bones and during cremation all the vertebral bones turn to ashes but one. (C2)
Please explain...
Thanks yogita for standing with me....this is basically the issue which we need to tackle....asato ma satgamaya...tamaso ma jyotirgamaya...mrityor ma amrutam gamaya....take me from lies to truth...darkness to enlightenment...death to salvation...
ReplyDeleteI asked you to enlighten us with something you might have decoded from the vedas. This is a navada mantra almost everyone knows.
DeletePlease answer, Tell me because our vertebra is channel of cancellous bones and during cremation all the vertebral bones turn to ashes but one. (C2)
I am open to a valid answer only. If you have it bring it.
One is so senti during the time of death of a dear one that he behaves like a hypnotised person...he believes whatever is told by pundit at that time....as his logic is not working that time
ReplyDeleteSo you want to say that Pandit's are cheat? This is a very cynical response coming from a person who is using navada mantra.
DeleteHave you ever seen any pandit asking for any unreasonable dakshina from a deceased person's family member? They must be demanding lakhs of rupees because the family members are hypnotized, right?
Not only you have questioned the entire pandits across the country but you have also directly placed our rituals to a biased and hypothetical scrutiny.
My blog is not forcing anyone to believe or disbelieve anything, it was about an experience. If you are an atheist don't force it on others.
Science is a lot different then economics.
Ankit Malhotra..if the person who has died is young , had been on a good diet ,will have more dense calcium rich bones which will not turn to ashes completely...and if the body is old the bones are already porous and mostly turn to ashes....in many cases c2 atmaram is not retrieved as it turns to ash...and in few cases it is retrieved along with lot of other bones which are called phul ( flowers) respectfully...
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DeleteThen why do cortical bones turn to ashes? Cortical bones are the one which are dense and hence just a few becomes phul (phul refers to remaining bones of the deceased, not a flower). Furthermore, C2 being a cancellous bone burns faster. Not only this other cervical vertebrae are denser then C2 because of their shape.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to argue on the basis of science then please refer to science.
C2 is a cortical bone as it is dense and bears the weight of head...mostly it does not turn to ash ..however in few people it turns to ashes...if the quantity of wood used is huge..most bones turn to ashes...
DeleteC2 is a cortical bone? Then according to your logic knee joint is also cortical as it bears weight of our body.
DeleteMay god enlighten you.
Yes the end of long bones are cortical..as they bear weight...80% of the weight of skeleton is due to cortical bones....
DeleteInstead of doing google of whatever I have said and then coming back with an inappropriate answer. Go do some real study.
DeleteBeing adamant is not a good thing if you have limited knowledge about a particular subject.
Ankit Malhotra...I wonder why I used my time here...bye dear..all the best for a bright future
ReplyDeleteSir, instead of arguing with me you should have studied more about the bones or you should have asked me.
DeleteIf you have checked my name, I assume you must have gone through my profile too. I work in the field of orthopaedics. Won't buy anything illogical.
Good Luck
I saw the aatmaram of my father today morn.. Before taking it to Haridwar.. I want to know what it means.. And yesterday there were big bones not turned into ash.. How to know about his next birth
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ReplyDeleteOn 22nd of August my mother passed away and we all were drowned in sorrow.
ReplyDeleteWhen I went to collect the Ashes of my mother the person dealing with searched and took out a very different form of bone structure and called it Atma Ram. He told me that this bone is very rare to be found intact after cremation. Only person with pure soul and good deeds ends up like this. His words gave me real peace and inside My grieving heart. I do not want to go into orthopadic structure of our skeleton.. because not everything can be explained by scientific Logics... In your worst time you need someone with soothing and calming words.. not detailed biology..
Mona..this is the reason why science was not revealed by our ancestors....as we feel more comfortable with soothing words...and we feel uncomfortable in real scientific logics in tough times
DeleteWhatever reason parveen kapoor has told i agree as same has been told by pandit of cremanation ground
ReplyDeleteTrue Mona...this pandit is an educated one...thanks
DeletePraveen Kapoor, stop spamming my blog. Get a life and get lost
DeleteHealth point..please don't get angry...you have written a nice blog...be positive...pl avoid such sentences like....get a life and get lost.
ReplyDeleteWhat do u mean bro..?
Is your blog meant for all of the world and not me...? Why so bro...?
The things which you wrote is your own thought...you can not stop others on public domain bro..
actually it is vertebrae c2 in postereosuerior view.
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ReplyDeleteYou should not drink and write you know.
ReplyDeleteIF you disagree with my blog then ignore it, don't spam here.
What I wrote, were my thoughts of what I encountered. I did not gave any gyan on Sanatan Dharam.
Now for the extra gyan, you wrote:
"Atma means soul, ram means Ishwar (not king Ram ruler of Ayodhya) Together they are called Atmaram…"
In my blog where have I mentioned Bhagwan Ram?
"Ram actually means Light or that Ishwar in in the form of Light! R represents ravi or sun. a represents agni or fire, m represents chandrma or moon….Just as these three, God is of the form of Light and hence called Ram!"
What was that you idiot? You bifurcated the hindi name in english as per your convenience to prove your point. In English it is spelled and pronounced as RAMA
Meaning of RAM is "Pleasing & Supreme". Not what you described.
"Till these two powers Atma and Ram are in the body the body remains alive…when they leave the body falls. Upnishads says there are these two birds…."
Which verse of which Upanishad?
"We live in times of ignorance called Kaliyug and so Pandits can easily fool anyone! Atmaram is no bone!"
No, you are a fool who is spamming here. We are living in a time where people will comment anything based on their perception and adura gyan just to prove their superiority.
You also wrote this and later deleted it:
Hari Prakash Narayan has left a new comment on your post "I don't know how to begin as there is a lot going ...":
how stupid pandits are these days! No wonder we are in Kaliyug...Atma ram means the soul! not any bone! And remember anyone who has died is not pure! Ram did not die, nor did Krishn or Nanak or Jesus! How stupid to believe that a bone will determine is one is enlightened!"
Jesus did not die? Friday, April 3rd, AD 33. Ask any catholic.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not die? September 22, 1539. In Kartarpur. (Kartarpur Sahib, Pakistan) ring any bells?
Write your views "whatever they are" on your own blog. Don't be oversmart and comment without any knowledge.
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